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May 21, 2009


It's very sad that your misinformed opinion impacted what they decided to do.

Our horses in NYC are not miserable - they are healthy, fit, and content, and lead purposeful lives.

Take jobs away from work horses, and they will cease to exist.

Your simple-minded thinking and wrong-headedness is anti-horse, not pro-horse.

And shame on the HS for buckling to stupidity.

Suffice to say we will heartily disagree on this subject, and it sounds like you have a vested interest (with the reference to "our horses"). They serve a purpose *for you*, I agree.

And it's a shame you can't make an argument that doesn't rely on name-calling. Why don't you tell us all about the great things you do for "your horses" and tell us who certifies and regulates that you actually treat them as you say.

That's called making an argument, and it's one I'd be interested in seeing.

Yes, I have a vested interest - and so does my horse.

My horse works for a living.

You want to take away his job.

Extrapolated, this means eradicating the need for horses like him to exist at all.

There is an epidemic of abandoned horses across the country is due to what is being called a “perfect storm” of a slow economy, highfeed prices, & recent national outlawing of slaughterhouses. This is a mammoth crisis - 1000s of horses being left to waste away in fields & paddocks, or surrendered to over-crowded rescues.

Closing down a business where horses lead content & exceedingly reasonable existences will only ADD to this problem.

A well-loved, cared-for horse with a job is a lucky horse.

Anybody hell-bent on putting carriages out of business should hop on down to the auction & buy a slaughter-bound horse and care for it for the rest of its natural life. That would actually be doing something to help the horses, not hurt them.

Your ersatz crusade was obviously a self-righteous vanity project, as you continue to preen over what you 'accomplished'.

Keyboard warriors don't buy and care for horses, groom them, feed them, provide vet & farrier care, retire them, or love them.

They only hamper those of who DO.

Congratulations on succeeding in that.

BTW, there was no 'name calling' in my post. Please cite what you are referring to.

And in answer to your question about certification/regulation:

-The Dept of Health Bureau of Animal Affairs licenses the horse, requiring vet cert
-The Dept Consumer Affairs licenses the owner, the driver, and the vehicle
-The Parks Dept, NYPD, DOH, DOT, ASPCA, and DOC all have oversight and summonsing capabilities

If you need to be enlightened on anything else with regard to our business, please see my blog:

I would 'resist the lure of a new kitten' UNTIL you can actually 'take proper care of it'.

It's not an A or B proposition, wouldn't you agree?

re: name calling.

I don't typically try to make my case by calling people stupid, simple-minded, wrong-headed, self-righteous etc. It's not the way to win people over, generally speaking. Perhaps you've had good luck with that approach, I haven't.

On the other hand, thanks for providing the data about certification/regulation I requested. That is indeed a pretty effective way to debate the issue.

See the difference?

All I know is what I saw when I lived in NYC, and it was no utopian equine paradise.

Look, I certainly hope you are the exception to the rule and run a perfect busines, but I think the ASPCA says it all with this:

"As the primary enforcer of New York City's carriage horse laws—with firsthand knowledge of ongoing problems and violations—the ASPCA has concluded that neither our city's environment nor the current law can provide horses with the fundamental necessities to ensure their safety and well-being. We urge New Yorkers to help us put an end to our city's outdated carriage horse industry."

I know that whatever *they* say will, by definition, carry little weight with you, but it carries weight with me and a lot of other people.

Grace, I think you're stating my point. I shouldn't go there until I'm ready to properly care for a new kitten. Yes, exactly.

My 20 year old amazing geriatric cat Samantha died a year ago December, 4 years after her 16 year old sibling Gabby died. I got them both as kittens at the NY ASPCA. They were with me my entire adult life to date, basically.

Not only do I feel like my lifestyle might not be right for a new kitten right now, but I'm not sure I am ready. but seeing kittens in the flesh would be very tempting indeed. Hence the staying away :)

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